They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. Thank you and well said. They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. Before Said was taken away, he heard two victim impact statements. This is the most ridiculous take ever! Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. Rorrer killed two peoplea young mother and her small child and thru the justice system got what the bitch deserved! (A good point. "This was not a sudden or impetuous act on your part. A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded.. Patricia and Mark McCloskey, the St. Louis homeowners who pointed guns at protesters, pleaded not guilty Wednesday to weapons and evidence tampering charges. Judge Richard T. Fields will be presiding over the case and Public Defender Ruby Ramirez will be representing Patricia for the Riverside County Public Defenders Office. And she would just call out of the blue., According to the Free Patricia Rorrer page on Facebook:I called him to let him know that I was going to the USA finals for a horse show. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. simply to create an atmosphere of hatred towards a person who, in all probability, has been wrongfully imprisoned. Trash-talking ex. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? No charmed life. Flawed justice: the wrongful conviction of Kerry Baxter Sr. Thats all for this post. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. Thanks for contacting us. If her husband was going to do that Im sure he wouldve done it in a totally different way! Im dying. Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. It all gave jurors a lot to think about but only for six hours. An infant was lying face down on her stomach. Yassein and Islam Said later helped hide Yaser Said in a home in Justin. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points. Yes, that doesnt mean shes unquestionably guilty, but it does mean her case has been relatively exhaustively examined (and its not over) and it means that your assertion that you are right and the guilty camp are wrong (and that this should be obvious) is absurdly overplayed. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. More than 20 years after her conviction, Patricia Rorrer still has advocates working to exonerate her. Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! For more on the Katrinak murder case, you can watch Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction for free on YouTube. A knife and the clothing worn by the victim potentially had all of the answers that would have led to the real murderer, but that evidence was destroyed by the LAPD. Patricia Prue also expressed remorse for her husband's actions. You, however, consider your ill-informed opinion superior to them not only that, you then go to great lengths to belittle them. There is way too much doubt in this case for my comfort. Disagree with "So it was relieving to get guilty verdict and get justice for these girls.". To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. I believe the answer to your question is in my comment above. Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. Yaser Said was arrested Aug. 26 after authorities searched the Justin home. A Texas father one of the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives wanted for the slayings of his two teen daughters was busted after more than 12 years on the run, the federal law enforcement agency announced. The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. It makes me sick. She hasnt, she didnt get a hard enough sentence. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. The Riverside County public defender stated that the court may reduce her first two offences to misdemeanors because they are classified as wobblers. Wobbler refers to a criminal offense that can be classified as either a misdemeanor or a felony. And even prosecutor Michael McIntyre, who wrote the book Hair Trigger about the case, acknowledged to Keith Morrison that it was a little odd that the police found blood on the hairs in Joanns car but nowhere else in the vehicle. Theres also the matter of a woman who suddenly remembered she saw Joann with another man at a Food Mart store five days after the disappearance. Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. According to William G. Kelley, director of the Law Offices of the Orange County Associate Defender, Patricia did not receive a fair trial. Let me ask youWhy do most of those who post adverse and hateful comments feel the need to? As to blood splatter, at a far enough distance, a .22 isnt going to leave much blood splatter, and there probably wont be an exit wound, it will just bounce around the skull, and you dont have to make someone bleed to beat them, and several months in the elements is plenty of time to wash away some evidence as well, although luckily not all. We were contacted by some individuals an agent from Interpol, as well as a social worker from Puerto Rico, that believed that they had her in an adult care home there in Puerto Rico, the deputy said during the press conference. He says he "feared for his life" and left the girls in the cab alive as he ran away. He was happy. Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. "You knew how the abduction would end," Bent said. No activity on her bank account or credit cards took place after the day she went missing, so investigators dismissed the theory that she took her child and bolted. Said's defense attorney said he will be filing a notice to appeal. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? Your somewhat convoluted explanation of discuss and express opinion, seems to ramble on and on without any logic or reason. Or did they? They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. Everyone lies. Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. (Nope. They broke up in 1993. They are total bs. One on one? The first rule of a murder is motive. Special prosecutor Patricia Brown Holmes said, even though her side didn't win any convictions, the case still helped make police more accountable. Media galore. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. Read the crime and public safety news your neighbors are talking about. A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. Patricia Prue to undergo 2nd competency exam, Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. She led a normal life, with a job as an elevator operator at the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, until 1984, when her religious vision occurred. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. They were not reported until 5:30 the next morning and he had already spliced the phone lines together. Sorry, I must have missed your name on the witness list. I decided to just plead guilty to get it over with.. This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. Police couldnt determine whether the baby died of exposure or suffocation. Rorrer is as guilty as OJ Simpson. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. The couple moved into Andrews sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. Hoist by my own petard! Thats my life.. Police theorize she owned the gun, but its neither here nor there whether she used a particular gun to kill and would make sense (to a wise perp) that the gun couldnt be linked to her by past activity. And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. Yaser Abdel Said, 65, was found guilty of the 2008 capital murders of his daughters, Sarah Said, 17, and Amina Said, 18, according to the Dallas Morning News. Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. The fact that previous boyfriends noted her obsession with Andrew is very, very telling. WebShe is as guilty as her husbandshe KNEW that her husband would kill these girlsshe even STATED that he would kill the girlsand yet she lied to them to get them to return to Texas If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. She killed a mother and child and now has all of you eating out of the palm of her hand about how mistreated she has been. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. Stop it.. There was a push for a mistrial, but a 16-year prison sentence was negotiated instead. Warren, who was tearful at the end of the hearing, said she is pleased with the outcome of the case, and that her office was only waiting on the outcome of Allen Prue's appeal. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. His father confirmed his alibi that they were doing construction work together, putting an addition on the house of friends Tom and Kathy Holschwander, at the time of Joanns disappearance. They tested the hair last night on Reasonable Doubt using updated technology it is definitely Patricias. His nephew, Islam, the brother to Amina and Sarah and son to Yaser, pleaded guilty to the same charges in June 2021 and received 10 years. If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. The fact that her jeans were unbuttoned and unzipped. Bob Kopta said that his wife had mental health issues and had spoken of going to the warm climate of the island. I've been thinking about them the last two weeks every morning when I wake up and close my eyes," she said. Alfey went on to say that he noticed that the woman hosting the model home was following them very closely the whole time that they were there. I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. A Texas man who carried out the mass shooting at the Cielo Vista Walmart in El Paso, Texas, on Aug. 3, 2019, killing 23 people and injuring 22 more, pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court to a 90-count indictment, including 45 counts of violating the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! Jealousy was the motive. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. Great communicator. Stop defending her when she is guilty!!!!! They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. And in a piece of salacious testimony, Patricia Rorrers half sister, Sandra Ireland, said that in May 1995, about six months after the murder, their mother, Patricia Chambers, stopped by the house and asked her to hold onto or hide a gun, or both. Owens said because of what Said did, she will never get to see her daughters grow up. Patricia Prue had been planning to use an insanity defense if the case were to go to trial, but she asked the court in December if she could change her plea so she could begin corresponding with her husband once again. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. Great catch. A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. 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Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. "The one thing I am guilty of is bringing the person who committed this crime to Vermont, and for that, I'm truly sorry" Allen Prue said in an apparent reference to his wife during his December sentencing. Conflicting versions. You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. Authorities said they have no evidence that Jerome had cancer or was dying. Whatever the truth is. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. She had had numerous run-ins with the police and, each time, would tell them to be ready because the end of the world was coming. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. Youre absolutely right!! I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. Jenkins' violent death shocked residents of the Northeast Kingdom, including Gerta Blasczyk of St. Johnsbury. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. Pat will spend the rest of her natural life in prison where people like her belong. Marsicovetere cited studies done by several doctors during pretrial proceedings, saying that they determined Patricia Prue suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and might suffer from dissociative identity disorder as well. What a lame article. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. The fact that there was a broken fingernail with skin attached to it found on her clothingand wasnt Patricias. First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. A correction to the comment above. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. It was winter which are cold in PA and would slow down decomposition and minimize insect activity although you are correct about the rodentswhy were there none? Contact Elizabeth Murray at 651-4835 or emurray@freepressmedia.com. Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). If the answer is no, enough said! She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. I guess the investigators in Pennsylvania managed a quick resolve to a huge case that had a nations eyes scrutinizing their every move! Wright desires to live her last days with her five children and six grandchildren, was in the statement as well. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. Ive heard she gets to go out to LUNCH and this broad is in prison for murdering her husband Russ Stager? Her sister stated shed had a religious obsession since she was a child. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. SHAME ON THEM. At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. Barry Grube, one of the few, if not only, police officers sympathetic to Patricias cause, noted that Andrew didnt seem particularly frantic while authorities searched desperately for his wife and son. I believe this woman murdered Joann and Alex. From my point of view, the American police investigations are first hand, and often very poorly done, Ive only seen worse in the British police, which is paradoxical given the laudatory talent of both nationalities, but it is a Scandinavian saying: bigger the mouth, smaller the facts. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. Instead, he hid for 12 years until the FBI found him in a relatives home in Denton County. Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. WebTexas-born Patricia (Tissie) Said, the mother of the two girls, should long ago have been charged as an accomplice in their honor killing. She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. 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Hate Crimes Prevention Act and 45 counts of using a firearm And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! (Ross Township Police Department). Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. Whats worse is that shes innocent. She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!! Yaser Said was found guilty of killing his two daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, in 2008. Yaser Said's ex-wife Patricia Owens gives victim statement after guilty verdict Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty.