So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. So now what's going on. Peter Biello: Let's talk to Ron and where Ron thanks very much for calling. I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. Sam Evans-Brown: You know the North America had a number of large predator species when humans first arrived in the continent. Mountain lions ( Puma concolor) are one of the six native species of wild cats in North America. So there is definitely no downward pressure by anyone. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. Why are there so many false positives? The best documentation we have in New Hampshire suggests there hasnt been a mountain lion killed by a hunter in this state since 1885. Your support makes this news available to everyone. Rick van de Poll: Well a report that you know as John Harrigan up north has in co-ops County for about 15 years I kept track of reports and people would call me and tell me where they saw the mountain lion they thought they saw it and it varied right from you know downtown villages all the way to remote highlands of the North Country and and everywhere in between. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. On a dirt road. Mike Guyton pressure was almost Greyhound like very muscular large back legs on it and the coloration on it was almost an orange brownish orange color and so I stop and I look at this thing in the field and as the animal looks at me the face was very chiseled definitely not a bobcat. Many people in New Hampshire have claimed to have seen mountain lions. And boy it was big it had to be at least 200 pounds the thing was you and and it just made a little bit of noise and it was gone. So there's even debate about that very subject. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. For starters, part of the confusion might come from the fact that the eastern cougar was taken off the endangered species list earlier this year. So I reached down to grab the camera and looked back and like a ghost it's gone. A 140-pound male mountain lion was hit by a car and killed in 2011 in Milford, Connecticut. I mean they're a survivor. And I think this is a really interesting story for a couple of reasons one is that it proves what Pat was saying which that basically from New York state where its traces was really picked up on a game camera around Lake George all the way down to Connecticut there was numerous. So we're fixated on natural but there's other possibilities. And just one more note about this danger question when even when you look at the states that have extended populations stable populations of mountain lions attacks are relatively rare. And so. Caller: I got home to my wife that a gene that you should have seen the cat. Thank you. So Michael follows with the question. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. Rick van de Poll: Yes. Second when I when they did forward it from Wyoming to to Michigan you know this was coming right from sample 18 and 19 had no remarkable differences from known mountain lions from Michigan or Wyoming. It's bigger but bigger and better world. What's interesting about Bobcats is here in the Northeast we have some very large bobcats. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred years, says Mark Elbroch, the Puma Program Director for Panthera, a global wild cat conservation organization, So even the folks who live with mountain lions still have a fancy and see something thats not there to me thats incredible.. We're not in the woods. And I can recall its information but I can't confirm or verify anything. It all used to be based on measurable physical traits color, skull size, paw size, etc but now its based on whether an animal can be shown to be genetically distinct from others. The second story window through about 30 feet away from it. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. There were several sightings in CT over the last few months. Patrick Tate: Yes. The DNA the DNA that they were able to pull from the cat suggested that it was a dispersed mountain lion that came. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. Patrick Tate: My line being a large predator a cat watch ambush his prey animal that hasn't been. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. Yeah 13 to 15 years ago 13 to 15 years ago. I'll send it to you. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. He said matter of fact I do. And you know it's rather interesting because certainly there are those you as a case of mistaken identity or they wanted to see something that perhaps they actually didn't. Good morning guys. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. These were normal everyday folks. He shifted gears in 2016 and began producing Outside/In, a podcast and radio show about the natural world and how we use it. His work has won him several awards, including two regional Edward R. Murrow awards, one national Murrow, and the Overseas Press Club of America's award for best environmental reporting in any medium. For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. From "History of New Hampshire Game and Furbearers" by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. But the state always denies it, and none of us know why they deny it. Now Bobcat is a completely different species. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction 3,207 views Jul 31, 2019 78 Dislike Share Save New Hampshire Fish and Wildlife 634 subscribers During my thirty-one career at the New. Peter Biello: Well yeah. 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020. Because I mean as we've heard in the past 10 minutes like there's there's some disagreement or at least some some vagueness about what an actual mountain lion should appear like in the wild assuming we can even get close enough. Caller: It had to be a mountain lion convinced I was about 30. Well let's talk a little bit about that. Well I can't tell you what you saw. I have no doubt that there are mountain lion roaming New Hampshire. Patrick Tate: Yes. Me Im willing to believe its possible that there are some out there. And it was you know 10 or 12 people saw it all at once. Tim Yeah. What's going on. John. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. And so so with their limited staff and limited budget that is that is more and more limited every year because you know fewer people are buying hunting and fishing licenses. "Of those three to five reports,. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. Really appreciate it. The unheralded hero of Apollo John Hubble the man who knew the way to the moon. If it's someone that has an illegal captive animal that is accustomed to humans those leave a lot of evidence because they want to go around humans to find food meaning they're used to being fed by humans. and territorial animals are much more inclined to create a problem with passer bys than dispersing animals in fact I'd be totally shocked if a dispersal would encounter with a human purposefully unless they had already had some type of training to do so. What kind of animal is that. And when provoked no animal could stand before him elegantly put. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. There are corollaries in other states. Women control our lives. John Holt's ideas were at first dismissed but he refused to be silent. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. Peter Biello: Wow. You know perhaps poke around where you saw it and see if you can find a track. It's unfortunate that that kind of thing happens as often as it does. I've collected scat samples I've got several in my collection. If you have them email exchange at an HP board or give us a call to tell us your story. I believe I saw one that's fine and I'm not looking for an immediate story. So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. We send out DNA samples to the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. And there's there's no evidence of that cat's movement in that entire you know 12 hundred miles stretch of its journey. So it's there was no question in my mind. No I saw a camel. The engineers Dan Colgan our senior producer is Allan Grimm. Sue Morse: First and foremost if you have color or if you could see details of color look at the front of the face around the Pumas muzzle the muzzle itself is pure white. Mike thanks for your call. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. For over 38 years the Saddleback Mountain Lions have offered people a chance to give back to their community. Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. She is renowned for tracking. Rick van de Poll: Absolutely. Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so. Sam Evans-Brown: Well this might be a good moment to talk about hoaxes. So and so the idea that they can follow up on every individual sighting is just crazy right. Which which I think Pat and I have both experienced. Thank you for visiting the New Hampshire Fish and Game Department website. Not one picture of him online while the person meet with us. Patrick Tate: I've from all the situations I've read and learned about wildlife. Peter Biello: The number is 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Tell us your story. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting By Elysia Rodriguez Published August 11, 2015 A southern New Hampshire neighborhood believes a mountain lion is roaming the woods near their homes. Sam. This is the exchange. But are there mountain lions living in New Hampshire? Gotcha, so the Deep State is suppressing mountain lion news in order to prop up New Hampshire tourism? There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. However if if and when it does happen it takes up a lot of resources looking at that situation and identifying what's going on because when you start out you don't know it's a hoax. Deer Bear Moose Wolves Fisher Mountain Lions. But Absence of Evidence Is Not Evidence of Absence, Right? Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. They used to roam the entire continent, but have become extinct in most US states. So when we talk about the threshold of evidence required to say for sure you have seen a mountain lion it is rather high. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. Mountain Lions in NH. In fact, Pat Tate concedes that hes been told of sightings from folks that he considers to be very credible, very woods savvypeople who know what a bobcat looks likebut those folks have never snapped a good photo or found a good track. Peter Biello: Oh okay. It doesn't happen as much anymore. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof. So that's the specimen that you find going long distances. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. Patrick Tate: Nice talk to you too. We're going to talk a little bit more about habitat first but then we'll get into sightings. 235 or nhandy@ledgertranscript.com. If it's just in the middle of a greenfield you can't prove anything. Sam Evans-Brown has been working for New Hampshire Public Radio since 2010, when he began as a freelancer. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid 80s hundreds. So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. But before I go any further I want to say we do not have sufficient game. And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR. And they were using all the habitat. Its closest living relative is the cheetah. And they asked me about the tail which I just did not remember that tail out of that whole experience. SUE Morse naturalist and science director for the organization keeping track. JavaScript must be enabled for some features to display properly. Sunny today high temperatures low to mid 80s it'll be clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s for tomorrow sunshine with high temperatures mid to upper 80s. Well let's hear from from Sue Morse again science director for the organization keeping track. And those are not the same things. Caller: And then there's the Lily Pond Road and then there's a six foot tall fence. Course like Sue said you have to see it and it's not always that visible. The exchange is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio. There's never, ever, ever, ever been a documented case of a black mountain lion. Rick van de Poll: Well education is the real important thrust of of what all of us do as biologists and Game Managers and to make sure that a things like what Sam was saying that in spite of what you believe the mountain lions will not eat your children they will not steal your pets from your backyard and they will not necessarily be seen by you unless you're extremely lucky. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. Known to exist in the state for over well over a hundred years. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. Well let me ask maybe Pat and Rick about this. Patrick Tate: So one thing I'd say is DNA would definitely identify an animal animal's Mark line or not. Do we have native species that could have exhibited this type of behavior leaving leaving a deer carcass up in a tree. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. Sam Evans Brown. Right. Someone's got to see one they're very secretive. So for me as a person who's had the Bobcats right off my grits similar carries sticks to a bobcat The Long Tail obviously very different but those facial markings were overlapping for me. support for an HBO who comes from you our listener Sam from advanced in you a local New Hampshire nonprofit specializing in college student loans and student refinancing options. So give us a call now. Okay. From involving members in projects as local as cleaning up an area park or as far-reaching as bringing sight to the world's blind, Lions clubs have always . The Lions of New Hampshire: MD44 Links. So that did it for me. Mike you're on the air. Somewhere the way they travel the things they do they're going to leave evidence. I had a resident in New Hampshire tell me a story of a mountain lion in the 1960s where a person who would come summer in New Hampshire and then live in a different part of the country in the winter had a trailer that was housing his mount line. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. Post your sightings and NH photos here! And so maybe before I go to you recommend I ask you Patrick Tate is the standard too high. It's you know I recognized their report and. Love hearing these stories. If youve got photo trap evidence of a Mountain Lion, send it in, and we'll send it along to the appropriate state or federal agency! Theres tracks everywhere. If so that's for us as an agency. Email exchange it an HP fraud org or give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. Give today. They absolutely do. I live pretty much on the town line of Greenfield just a couple of miles down in the Greenfield. Caller: Well I think Patrick I recognized your name. Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. There wasn't a distinct subspecies the North American mountain lion is all is all one species and then you can find a genetically distinct South American subspecies. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! No doubt in my mind it was. Updated: 9:53 AM EST Dec 6, 2016. I'm Peter Biello. The trouble with accepting every reported sighting as a confirmed mountain lion is that there are so many mistaken identifications. Patrick Tate: Okay. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. Thank you. Mountain Lions are a mythical creature in New Hampshire with strong feelings on both sides of the question: are there Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. I was at the Sentinel as a reporter there for about four years and during that time I probably wrote close to a half dozen stories or so on this topic including a lengthy feature at one point that in which I spoke to several people from around the banana region claimed to have seen mountain lions that at one time or another. Think you've seen a mountain lion? I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. This is where things start breaking down when you so I get pictures with this great description and one of my favorite stories is a great description what the witness and then so I called the witness and wanted information from them and the person says What are you talking about. So and so they so they do get pretty involved. Your support makes this news available to everyone. Like why would you want one wildlife. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. The Connecticut Mountain Lion is the best documented wild Mountain Lion in New England. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction. You need a permit to have that. Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. If you go on YouTube and search mount lion Pat you can see people patent their hundred pound kiddie like its regular mascot cat. Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. I don't know if she still is. There's no attraction. Chapter X, Predators, Panther (Mountain Lion) From History of NH Game and Furbearers by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. New Hampshire Public Radio | NH Fish and Game relies on physical evidence to answer questions about the presence or absence of mountain lion in the state. The tail leave is a giveaway but not everybody gets to see the tail. I found a second scat scent both to him. Mountain lions (especially males) have incredibly large ranges that they defend from rivals. NHFG Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate identifies this cat as a bobcat. Sam Evans-Brown: What he would have stopped as well I think is way way that the reason that mountain lion kept moving is because he wasn't finding anybody. I tracked cats and all the western states. Sue Morse: The big cat really commands the utmost respect not so much fear but fascination. You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion. When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. Have it reported down in the Keene area. Early in the morning. Sam Evans-Brown: Well first I want to sort of explain why what the theory is but then also throw a bit of cold water on it because I don't think there's much much logic behind it but essentially is that if fish and game were to acknowledge that there was a population of Mount lions in the state there's a chance that something like a listing under the federal Endangered Species Act might happen and then there'd be you know some they'd have to put a plan in place to protect the species there'd be you know restrictions put on development. I'm Peter Biello in for Laura NOI. By Eric Orff. They're just moving around freely. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. One was in Shelton. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. I wanted to get your thoughts on the mystique of the mountain lion start with you Rick. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. But having read a bit of information about his cougar there are a darker subspecies. There's a lot of photographs that you can see that it's very clearly a tabby cat that someone has thought was a mountain lion. Thanks for calling. 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Thank you very much for listening. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. They create these scrapes where theyre communicating with each other with scent. You know I'm like seriously I can't get a picture of the thing but what it what it is. We did a short segment about mountain lion sightings earlier this year and and after which I was sent a photo and also a video recording that was mostly just audio because it was so dark the photo just a quick reverse Google image search you can put images online and see where else where else they've been posted revealed that the photo had been taking out taken out in Wyoming and has been used you know hundreds of times to claim and the person who sent it to me said it had been taken New Hampshire. We'd be inundated with scouts in the past when newspaper articles have been written about DNA and scouts. 44-H Links. And because you know things flow downhill and I was pushed to go investigate it more and met with the individual two or three times and there was a bunch of inconsistencies about the photograph. Rick van de Poll: Rick van de Poll so I was a non-believer as well. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HD PR fine Peter Biello and today we're talking with folks who can tell us about the mysterious elusive mountain line and whether or not it is actually here in New Hampshire. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. 19 So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. So what I'm getting back is the verifying and confirming of evidence what that was not there. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form.
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