Stay tuned, as well have an Orbea Rise test bike arriving very soon. The low profile EM800 display takes up minimal space next to the stem, featuring a crystal-clear screen with colour-coded graphics to easily identify which assist setting youre in. Put on i9 Hydra hubs, annoying motor rattle sounds disappears. This adjustment has the biggest impact on the motors performance and your total range. I rode the engine too, the thing is the engine is super quiet once you charge on the pedals, and you've got that annoying rattling noise as soon as you are on the freewheel and cruising down the trail Shim is working on it from what they said. The new EP8 computer display (SC-EM800) shares many external similarities with the SC-E8000 display, but with new features including a more capable chipset, expanded compatibility with third party computers, and the ability to select two different custom ride profiles. I have tested a few ones and to me best one is Specialized in terms of ridding feeling and refinement. This gives a very wide and flexible power band that does well to match what your legs are doing, making this the go-to, set-and-forget mode for proper off-roading. I have no personal experience riding with pedal assist but when I hear the high whiz from the motor I think that would drive me mad too. That is, spme pretension or a clutch like system. Despite the musclier performance, weve had excellent results in terms of range, with the Bosch motor regularly achieving more miles and elevation over EP8. Durability and ease of maintenence is far more important than power in my world. For a refined and integrated aesthetic, SHIMANO STEPS BM-E8030 battery mount integrates into the downtube of compatible E-BIKE frames. "but since I have to hit the small button repeatedly when my battery charge becomes critical on some rides". How stuff like this gets through what I would like to think was extensive testing I will never know. Perfect? There are 5 levels of adjustment from Mild to Quick, with the highest setting requiring only a small rotation with light pedal force to engage the motor. . @tomdesoals: I don't quite get it though. I also have Commencal 2021 meta power sx. PRODUCT As to how the de-tuned EP8 motor performs? Overall its a vastly neater execution compared to the likes of Bosch and Yamaha with their Kinder Surprise-style switch units. I chose this bike because it has the EP8 and from research, seems to be the most reliable platform out there, assuming it's as reliable as the E8000. Make it 100 mile range, and I'm in. Display integration is still the best on the market, even if it only shows five bars of battery level and could easily integrate some more user-friendly features. Get directions. I'm not an ebike hater - but (you knew it was coming) - I can't ever see myself being able to justify the expense of one and I wouldn't like to risk a second hand one. Riders can customize multiple settings through the E-TUBE PROJECT app, giving greater control over how they want their bike to ride. Drive unit weight: 2.6 kg compared to 2.9 kg for DU-E8000, 10-percent less volume compared to DU-E8000, Greatly reduced driving noise, quieter than DU-E7000, Improved heat management system provides more torque even in tough conditions, 177 mm Q-factor is centered in the frame for a normal MTB ride feel, Three different crank arm options are available to match various Shimano drivetrains, each. Its also a very quiet motor when pedalling. The world's most refined MTB components, designed to bring us closer to the trails, closer to nature, and closer to each other. @tomdesoals: That excuse that Shimano put out by their customer service dept . > The new assist algorithm is so effective that riders will find that they no longer need to rely on BOOST mode to clear the most difficult sections of the trails they ride. Tackle steep climbs and tough trails with full confidence thanks to 85Nm maximum torque. So why has no one made a motorized gearbox yet? 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EP8 EP800 With the introduction of the new Shimano EP8 platform, the bar has been raised again with significant gains in the areas that matter to e-mountain bikers the most: Leading power-to-weight ratio, with 21-percent more torque (85 Nm) available in both TRAIL and BOOST modes in a smaller and lighter package featuring a magnesium drive unit case Breakthrough assist algorithm that delivers the right power at the right time, organically matching the riders efforts allowing them to tackle the toughest terrain with full support while also extending range Designed with customization in mind allowing riders to personalize the character of their bike in new ways. This bike also gets a Shimano drivetrain but it's upgraded to the SLX range with some Deore sneaking its way in, taking the place of the cassette and chain. Furthermore, having the battery life displayed as five bars is positively rudimentary. This can allow an easy transition between two different riders with different preferences, or it can be used to build a commuting mode and a mountain biking mode. The EP8 (EP800) drive unit delivers smooth, direct power to ensure you're always in complete control while experiencing a natural ride feeling. The 2021 Canyon Spectral:ON gets Shimano's smaller, lighter, smarter, and more powerful EP8 motor, and a larger 630Wh battery for increased range. Hey Ralf Hauser!! Along with the new EP8 motor, Shimano has also released a larger 630Wh battery, which seems to be the most popular option at the moment youll find it inside both the Canyon Spectral:ON and Merida eOne-Sixty. . Set as my REI. Also the bikes will be heavy as f*ck with an 820Wh battery. Its also given us plenty of opportunity to identify all the little quirks, while getting a better impression of long-term durability and performance. OSAKA, Japan (August 31, 2020) Its first mountain bike specific drive unit, SHIMANO STEPS DU- E8000 set the standard for real off road performance by preserving the chainstay length and Q-factor used on traditional mountain bikes and using an intelligent assist algorithm that prioritized a natural off-road riding experience. - Range estimation is not reliable. if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do, we charge it up to 11. If you are disabled and need a motor on your bike in order to ride, I understand. Ebikes are great as a self shuttle, especially for time limited people. So when the new version is so much better Refinement is all relative. this dude knows how to write a review, well done. The YT Decoy also utilises its own 520Wh battery and the the Orbea Rise is built around a smaller 360Wh battery. Santa Cruz's 2021 Bullit electric mountain bike is built around 170mm of VPP rear wheel travel and Shimano's EP-8 electric motor with an in-built 630Wh battery. Our batteries are renowned for keeping you out on the trails and riding further. Upon a little digging on the internet, it appears that this functionality is only on offer for Garmin users. Compact and lightweight for better handling (2.6 kg) Concaved button-shape shifters make it easier to switch between Eco, Trail and Boost modes. What settings you end up will depend on your personal riding style, and your expectations of range and power output. Shimano EP8: More power, more range. New batteries recently released by Shimano are available for EP8, including two 630Wh battery options, the external BT-E8016 and internal BT-E8036 battery. Shimano E-Tube technology has undergone a complete overhaul to improve the user experience. Personally, were ok with downshifting and spinning our way up a steep incline its better for the health of your knees, and its likely better for the health of the motor too. SpecializEd # levo SL is a great benchmark Have had a Specialized Levo & sold it due to making weird noises, so yes other manufacturers have problems too, not saying that is easy to get good reliability with new technology, but my Shimano e-8000 motor has been more reliable even is very wet weather! And more power requires more juice. Component categories and series of GRAVEL, Component categories and series of LIFESTYLE, Component categories and series of E-BIKE, Your smartphone to cycling computer on the bike, SHIMANO bicycle ride data collection/analysis service, SHIMANO AGAINST THE TAMPERING WITH E-BIKES, * BT-E8036 for Japan (16.2 Ah, 583 Wh) ** By EC-E8004 (*** In case of 100 V AC) **** with SM-BTE80 or EW-CP100, BM-E8030-A BM-E8030-B BM-E8031-A BM-E8031-B, Durable battery retains max. Now, would we like to see Shimano eliminate the noise altogether? At full charge in Trail mode it says range is 90km or so but I haven't put that to the test on more mellow trail days but am sure others have. You also need a special key to release the battery from the frame, which were not fans of, at least for a mountain bike anyway. Aim for a cadence between 70-90 RPM for maximum efficiency and response from the motor. Rob has ridden the bike, so make You must log in or register to reply here. Shimano battery issues with EP8 motor. No, but the best on the market IMO. Occasionally it can feel a little peakier compared to EP8, but for the most part both motors are easy to get used to within a few rides. It isnt a huge difference, but sometimes its just enough for your rear wheel to make it up and over a stubborn tree root or rock ledge. I can only hear any motor rattling when I am doing really gnarly rocky downhill. > A little more overrun from the EP8 motor, and even the option to tune that attribute via the E-Tube app, would be stupendous! In the winter my range has decreased on the battery due to low temps, if I keep it in eco mode I get greater distance than boost and as I loose a bit of weight in can go further. Sell it to me, bet ya cant specially at a respectable 90 keys. Here youll find three sliding scales for each of the three assist modes (thats Eco, Trail and Boost). The 40 kg wieght difference will eat up the most battery because it constantly drags, no matter what cadence or assist mode. "- Only five power bars for charge level.". Anyone having problems with the charger? Yeah, that's pretty poor! I once did 2300hm with bt-8010 and mostly Eco low but also some trail and boost. Its considerably bulkier than Shimano EP8, dominating the Levos frame profile while also putting limitations on rear wheel clearance. you should ride slow with a good cadence. Pretty clever! This means its impossible to tell whether you have 21% or 39% battery remaining. The downside for Bosch is that its display options leave a lot to be desired. Not the first time Shimano has screwed the pooch with recent launches. 2 bars left on the Shimano display. Its mostly apparent when freewheeling down really rough trails, but weve been able to detect it when the motor is engaging and disengaging around the 25km/h cutoff on the road, and while cruising over washboard bumps on mundane fireroads. ECO mode has also gotten much more economical thanks to the new algorithm as well. quieter(+) smaller(+) lighter(+) more power(-) battery range(=). With the introduction of the new Shimano EP8 platform, the bar has been raised again with significant gains in the areas that matter to e-mountain bikers the most: . With the Spectral:ON for example, which has very short chainstays and a relatively slack seat tube angle that puts your weight further over the rear axle on steep climbs, it helped to dial down the Assistance Character (to 6/10), the Maximum Torque (to 78Nm) and the Assistance Start (to 4/5) to soften the bikes power and acceleration. This BT-8036 battery only needs a 4mm hex key to be released from the frame for charging separately, which is unlike Bosch that requires a special key (potentially something else to lose/forget). Heat dissipating materials, increased surface area in the case, and a refined heat management algorithm improve heat resistance, allowing more torque to be applied even as the conditions become more challenging. Can never hear it over the sound of the wind rushing by or the trail / wheels noises. This also allows brands to more neatly integrate the motor into their frame designs, Canyon having done a particularly swell job with the Spectral:ON. At the same time, riders will notice an increase in range simply because the new assist algorithm doesnt waste energy when it isnt needed. it's been quite awhile and still no fix . While the motor is both more sensitive and more powerful though, Shimano has done brilliantly to offer usable control of that power. Component categories and series of GRAVEL, Component categories and series of LIFESTYLE, Component categories and series of E-BIKE, Your smartphone to cycling computer on the bike, SHIMANO bicycle ride data collection/analysis service, SHIMANO AGAINST THE TAMPERING WITH E-BIKES, California Transparency in Supply Chain Act. E5003 Cycling Computer Seems quite useful for when pushing the bike up these impossible climbs. The 630Wh battery is physically larger than than the previous 504Wh battery, though Merida obviously knew the bigger battery was coming when it launched the eOne-Sixty last year. e-bikes remove the only non-financial barrier for entry into a sport that historically required at least some small amount of fitness. - Numerous battery options, both from Shimano & 3rd parties I have to admit some of the comments make me laugh out loud while others score some points for being helpful and based on fact, not hearsay fiction. What this article says to me is no wonder people make fun of mountain bikers. Yeah you're right but I feel like the biggest factor is still rider weight. New shared architecture Drivetrain components from Shimano. That Shimano response was pure gold. Going the right direction in weight reduction. FEATURES. Merida's eONE-SIXTY EP8 / 630Wh battery-equipped eMTB's start from around 4.200 / 3,800, and EP8 / 630Wh battery-equipped e-hardtails from around 3.500 / 3,200. More power, less weight, even more efficient and the biggest battery Shimano offer. That rattle would drive me bonkers. That kind of thing can destroy a company's reputation even if it's not something serious . > If speed and maximum power output is less of a concern though, switching into the factory Eco mode is a sure-fire way to get more ride time expect range to double from those figures above. The STEPS EC-E6002 charger is included.